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What is your favorite track on Secondhand Smoke?

In My Ways - George Lynch
7
10%
Dragonfly - Karl Cochran
5
7%
Stay With Me - John Norum
12
17%
It's Begun To Rain - Audley Freed
7
10%
He's Calling - Jennifer Batten
10
14%
Poppy - Rick Ray
4
6%
Babylon Revisited - Jeff Cloud
4
6%
Try For Freedom - Ronnie Montrose
10
14%
The Answer - Randy Hansen
8
11%
The World Anthem - James Byrd
5
7%
 
Total votes: 72
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re: Frank Marino Tribute "Secondhand Smoke" REVIEW

Postby Wild Willy » Thu Dec 22, 2005 1:38 am

Had to clean up the thread. It was getting entirely off base. :winky
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Postby rick » Thu Dec 22, 2005 6:28 am

I'm going to say, on the track Ronnie Montrose did, 'Try For Freedom', he outdid everybody. He concentrated entirely on the song. To me, I think he kind of put a Beatle's vibe into it, say from the '67 psychedelic period. That's what I hear and that's who I vote the best song on the CD to be.
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Postby ToddF » Fri Dec 23, 2005 5:49 am

The packaging that Willy and Norman Marino came up with is great. The packaging alone is an instant classic to me.

Without nit picking and going into great detail on the tunes, I guess I'm in the minority so far, but I thought George Lynch did a great job on "In My Ways"
The playing and sound of the tune were good, and the vocalist is great.

The drummer was actually making it interesting and the singer really nailed it
by not overdoing it and phrasing the lyrics nicely.....Jeff Pilson, you have a great smooth voice and a lot of overall talent playing the bass and Engineering the tune!!

I think with a little tweaking this version could get radio air play and possibly be a minor hit.

After listening to the whole thing, one thing became obvious to me, Frank's lyrics are very powerful regardless of who sings them, and that part of him is probably even stronger than his guitar playing.

John Norum did a great job as well.
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Postby ToddF » Fri Dec 23, 2005 6:10 am

I agree Blahmcduh, the drum sound fooled me on "In My Ways", I thought it was a real drummer. I don't like machines for drumming, but this sounded realistic to me.
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Postby garyd » Sat Dec 24, 2005 5:14 am

Way to go Willy nice job. I really like the quotes from the different artist.
fav song is "In My Ways"
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Postby Bad Rain » Sun Dec 25, 2005 1:19 am

Damn. I just now realised that Jennifer Batten was the female guitar player with Michal Jackson's live band in their huge tours in late 80's and 90's. Pretty wild stuff like the note-by-note Eddie Van Halen solo in 'Beat It'.
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Postby Ze Finnish Line » Sun Dec 25, 2005 1:36 am

Jenny has been touring with Jeff Beck as well. And I think it can be heard in "He's Calling" as well.
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Postby DT » Sun Dec 25, 2005 9:21 am

OK, here are my thoughts.

I've listened to the entire CD three times now, and I have to be honest and say that it took me all three listens to get used to the different arrangements and the way that the vast majority of the songs have a very different vibe from Frank's original versions. I'm not really sure what I was expecting, but initially, I was surprised at how different many of the songs sounded.

There were some exceptions: Like blacmduch noted, Stay With Me is almost identical to Frank's version, and a few other songs are pretty close to the originals, but most of the arrangements sounded very different to me, at least on the first listen.

Still, in deference to the artists' creative license, I wanted to give the CD an opportunity to grow on me a bit, and so I listened to the whole thing three times. With the exception of maybe a song or two, everything got better the more I listened to it.

All that said, I think I'm going to go with Rick's version of Poppy as my favorite track. Rick did a great job on blending his own individual expression into an appropriate allegiance to the original. James Byrd's World Anthem was probably a close second, as it sounds really well-produced and creates an aura of symphonic majesty that is a great way to close the CD.

Kudos also to Alvin Youngblood Hart for his really nice vocals on It's Begun to Rain.

My compliments to Willy and everyone who created this great tribute.
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Postby JaminJim » Sun Dec 25, 2005 3:08 pm

JoeR wrote:I recieved the CD yesterday and gave it a couple of listens. At first it was refreshing to hear such differences from the original versions. It was obvious that the artists had intentionally tried to make it sound differently that the original. The artists all tried to make the songs sound more contemporary which I feel did not always work, I don't want to site any examples right now. Most of the vocals sounded good for the most part, but no where near Frank's. As for the guitar playing, they all used that contemporary sound and style. The guitar techniques were excellent. As for the guitar sounds, they sounded like generic crap. WTF are delays now out of vogue. Is switching sound patches in a song also out of vogue. Why is everyone so afraid to sound different. The guitar sounds were very boxy and focused as opposed to sounding more open. Everyone sounds as if they playing a LesPaul or a quacky Strato with scratchy distortion, following each other like a herd of sheep sound wise.

Unfortunatly this is not a CD that I will be listening to again and probably be relegated to the collection bin.
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Postby JoeR » Sun Dec 25, 2005 6:44 pm

I stand by what I wrote previously. The arrangements were nice. The singing was nice. I thank Willy for his efforts to produce this CD. The guitar playing was excellent. But I think that the artists could have taken a little more chances on the guitar sounds themselves and not latch onto a kindof proven formula type of sound. All in all I think the CD is very good but personally its not something I'd listen to on a regular basis. Just my 2 centavos.

I don't mean to be such a preud JJ but your avtar one of these days is going to give me an epileptic seizure.
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Postby Wild Willy » Sun Dec 25, 2005 7:41 pm

All reviews are welcomed. No need to defend yours. We all can't like everything.

This thread isn't really for questioning others' opinion. I know it is hard to do sometimes.

I appreciate ALL comments even when I disagree. Some have asked my opinion on this CD and I cannot give a fair unbiased response because I am so close to it. What I can make more clear is the fact that none of the artists were told to do anything a certain way and none of them heard anyone elses track before recording theirs.

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Postby blahmcduh » Sun Dec 25, 2005 7:52 pm

JoeR wrote:I stand by what I wrote previously. The arrangements were nice. The singing was nice. I thank Willy for his efforts to produce this CD. The guitar playing was excellent. But I think that the artists could have taken a little more chances on the guitar sounds themselves and not latch onto a kindof proven formula type of sound. All in all I think the CD is very good but personally its not something I'd listen to on a regular basis. Just my 2 centavos.
I agree pretty much with what you said. There's some really fine work on this CD and some great guitar playing but, when it comes to Frank's songs, I'll stick mostly to the original. I don't see myself carrying this CD around in the car and listening to it over and over ... like I do Frank's CDs. 8)
I don't mean to be such a preud JJ but your avtar one of these days is going to give me an epileptic seizure.
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Postby blahmcduh » Mon Dec 26, 2005 8:30 am

Ze Finnish Line wrote:...
I got Rush R30 dvd/cd box! Woo-hoo !
That DVD/CD was on my Chistmas list but Santa didn't bring it. :(

Let us know how it is 'cause I might buy it with a gift certificate that I got ... if I hear a good review! :D

EDIT: Just so I don't get too far off topic here :roll: , "Secondhand Smoke" was also on my Christmas list but, just to be safe in case Santa's computer was not working, I ordered it myself and received it before Christmas. 8)

Also, had the Mahogany Rush UK Tour t-shirt on my list and Santa did bring that!!! :headbanger
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Postby swan-song » Mon Dec 26, 2005 9:59 pm

i got second hand smoke for christmas and it's pretty good overall. my favorite track is dragon fly real funky...it's cool. who is karl cockran and is his other stuff any good? by the way i also got r30 and it's killer.
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Postby JaminJim » Wed Dec 28, 2005 1:36 pm

Not really a fan of Tribute cd’s myself.
Most sound so cheesy
As I read these other reviews, waiting for mine to get to me.
Anxious is how I became day by day.

In theory they are thought to be a way for these people to get exposure.
So I guess that is why they do them? Sad that it usually just shows how limited they really are.
Also I never listen to someone and compare it to they’re last release.
That way I can be honest and judgmental.
So I went into this tidbit listening as original songs forgetting that they are a Marino tune.
Listened to this in the house, car & headphones.

George Lynch starts this cd off the right way. IN YOUR FACE!! Just the way a real Mahogany Rush cd should start out.
George does a very killer job on In My Ways.

Karl Cochran comes on with a clear version of Dragonfly.
Couldn’t help but crank it up.

John Norum takes on Stay With Me. He has guts a plenty that’s for sure. This could have come out dry & bland.
Thanks John for putting in the love & effort to bring out the power.

Audley Freeds version of It’s Begun To Rain? At first I thought it was The Refreshments?
This is the only song on the cd that I had to go listen to Frank’s version on IV to see what it was.
Being that VI has never really been my favorite Mahogany Rush lp/cd.
So as I sat there listening to IV it really brought out a lot that I have been missing out on all these years.
So Audley got me hooked on IV in a brand new way, thanks dude!

Jennifer Batten? Seen her in the M. Jackson videos, heard her on some Jeff Beck.
He’s Calling the power house killer tune from Eye Of The Storm.
I believe should have been done by someone like Zakk Wylde.
As I listened to this giving it my full support.
It just comes across as a wet noodle cartoon full of red, yellow and blue.
Did someone ask her to try and sound like Jeff Beck on purpose?
So following the advice of others I slipped on the headphones, and BLAMO!! What a kaleidoscope Jennifer has painted.
This tune is made for headphones. Like putting on 3-D glass’s, it’s that cool.

Rick Ray does certainly kicks major butt on Poppy. A studio version that really does challenge the live version for long term listening.
Rick Schulz sounds like he must be an accomplished talented musician and does great on the “Reeds.” I’m not a fan of imitation instruments.
If you wanted a sax, get a sax. Is it not supposed to sound like a sax? Then get something else.
It is kept short and sweet.
In the background the “Reeds” sound great, as a solo it caused the intensity to fall into the pit.

Jeff Cloud also like John Norum has guts to challenge Babylon Revisited.
Could have sucked. Not at all Jeff brings a new fresh approach to this that says he is a true fan and wanted to work hard at bringing out the power of a Marino tune.
Good job Jeff, I’ll be checking out some of your other stuff, is there any?

Ronnie, Ronnie, Ronnie Montrose takes Try For Freedom and turns it into a proper tune that could and should get air play.
Very well produced.

Randy Hanson were you trying to get a production sound somewhere between Maxoom & Child Of The Novelty on purpose?
What ever you did, it worked fantastic.
I’ve heard Randy’s first lp & his Hendrix tribute stuff.
So not much more then that since.

James Byrd the magnificent one. What a brilliant work he has done.
Turned The World Anthem more into a Universe Anthem.
We need to keep Jimmy humble so I’ll keep it short.

Over all I’d say this is a brilliant cd. One that does really rate as a great headphone listening pleasure.
The problem with headphones is that the windows and floor don’t shake & rattle. So you get the best of both worlds.
Good cranking for the neighborhood or sit with some cans on your head.
Second Hand Smoke is now in my cd changer and will stay for years.

Thank you to everybody who contributed to this product. You brought some pleasure and comfort to me for the winter of ’06 and beyond.
QUESTION? WILL ANY OF THESE PEOPLE BE INCLUDING THESE TUNES ON THEIR OWN CD'S? THAT WOULD BE A TRIBUTE, WOULD IT NOT?
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Postby blahmcduh » Wed Dec 28, 2005 2:00 pm

JaminJim wrote:...
So I went into this tidbit listening as original songs forgetting that they are a Marino tune.
...
Exactly the way I approached it.

Good review! Don't necessarily agree with everything you said but most of it.

Anyway, thoughtful and interesting remarks. Thanks, JJ. :clap :clap
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Postby strat110 » Fri Dec 30, 2005 1:23 am

who is karl cockran and is his other stuff any good?
He is a session guy really more than anything else, see http://www.karlcochran.com/ the last thing he did that I own is the majority of guitar work on Joe Lynn Turner's new solo album 'Usual Suspects', Karl turns in some great Blackmore inspired performances on that album, check the link for more info.
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Postby Ze Finnish Line » Fri Dec 30, 2005 2:19 am

Does anyone know which is Frank's favorite :?:
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Postby maddmarty » Fri Dec 30, 2005 5:51 am

HOW LATE DO YOU HAVE 2 B B 4 U R ABSENT?

Later than this, apparently....

IT'S HERE!!!!
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Postby mandrakeroot » Fri Dec 30, 2005 7:20 am

maddmarty wrote:HOW LATE DO YOU HAVE 2 B B 4 U R ABSENT?

Later than this, apparently....

IT'S HERE!!!!
Fanfare, fanfare!!!!
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